Discussing those things that go bump in the night…

May 13, 2009


Here’s a little trip down memory lane. This is an excerpt from an online interview I did back in 2005 for the now defunct Insidious Reflections. I’m sure you’ll notice quite a few of the names of those involved. Because of the nature of a “chat room-like” discussion there are several typos throughout.

Robert Lewis: So, am I to take that line in your post to mean that you’re actually trained as a paranormal investigator?

Bob Freeman: Self-trained, I think would be a better phrase, though I do utilize a lot of the lessons I learned through Anthropology Field Study in my research. I should add that the Nightstalkers and I are not out there trying to prove that ghosts and demons and things that go bump in the night exist…we already know they do, and there are plenty of other groups out there seeking to quantify scientifically the paranormal’s existence… we are investigative adventurers. When things go bump in the night, we bump back.

Richard Hipson: What’s the most prominent paranormal discovery that you’ve made, the one that has left the biggest mark with you?

Bob Freeman: Probably the first major case I was involved in. It was around Thanksgiving 1983. The Nightstalkers were born that night. It involved demonic possession and enough Jungian Synchronicities to write a book about… A night full of arcane symbolism…and a night that changed the lives of everyone there forever. A close second involved the death of one of my best friends back in ’85. His death was predicted by a Ouija Board, which told us how he’d die and when… and when he visited me from beyond the grave, my belief in the paranormal was cemented.

Fran Friel: Considering your paranormal interests, have you studied the work of Robert Monroe or Bruce Moen? Bruce in particular has done a lot of work with retrievals.

Bob Freeman: I am very familiar with Monroe’s work, and until I discovered Robert Bruce, I was an avid student of his Astral Projection methodology.

Karen Koehler: Do you feel you have a natural “vibe” for the supernatural?

Bob Freeman: Yes, I do have an inner “spider-sense” when it comes to the supernatural. And that’s why I do what I do…for that creeping flesh tingle that shivers me timbers whenever I’m in the presence of the preternatural. It’s the closest I come to being an adrenaline junkie. It’s a lot more fun than sky-diving or bungee jumping.

Karen Koehler: It sounds a lot like you’ve had multiple run-ins with the supernatural. Do you think your personal experiences often find themselves a part of your stories?

Bob Freeman: They do tend to rear their ugly heads now and then. Cairnwood Manor and the idea of a hereditary pack of werewolves living in Somerset Indiana, along the banks of the Mississinewa was born from a real experience, when me and my fellow stalkers of the night had a run-in with a pack of hellhounds out on Devil’s Back Road when we were investigating a grouping of “haunted houses” that were located in the middle of the woods, seemingly abandoned in the blink of an eye. Hell, there were still plates of decaying food at the kitchen table and an open newspaper that was dated March 1968. The red eyes of the demon dogs still haunt me. And I promise you, I never ran as fast before or since as I did that night.

Karen Koehler: I just recalled that there’s a scene in CM where the vampires take refuge in an old farmhouse that has a similar feel to it–food and newspapers left out. Great, fun book, btw!

Bob Freeman: Yep…that’s the place, Karen…and thanks, I’m glad you enjoyed the story. Cairnwood Manor can be read like a map. All the locations are real, which I think makes the read all the more fun.

Chris Hedges: Hey Bob, I’m one of those folks that have a slight bit of a psychic twinkle. Man, we have a lot in common! Well we do and we don’t. I want to hear about some experiences with the Ouija board. I’ve had some crazy shit happen with those things. lol Also, I’m very interested in Astral Projection. Have you ever achieved it? I’ve tried and can’t quite get it. Any advice?

Bob Freeman: Alright. Strangest experience. Me and a small group of friends in an out of the way lake cottage in northern Indiana. We have been communicating with a very active spirit over the course of three days. Late evening, day three, we ask it who in the room will be the first to die. It answers “D-A-V-E-F”. There is no Dave F. in the room. We ask again. It answers “D-A-V-I-D”. We ask for a last name. It answers “D-O-O-R”. At that moment, there is a knock at the door. Enter our friend David Farr. We are freaked, of course. Dave was not expected, between school and work he was not supposed to be able to get free to join us on our week long excursion. We catch him up on what has happened. He’s excited, because that’s the kind of kid he was. He wants to know more. We ask when he will die. It answers “S-O-O-N”. More excitement from Dave. We ask how he will die. It answers “N-O-H-E-D-1-7”. . The board went silent after that. One week later? Dave was killed when he, as a passenger in a dune buggy, was decapitated when the vehicle he was in struck a luxury car head on while on his way to a party we were throwing out at the Mississinewa State Forest. It was two days after his 17th birthday.

Read the book Astral Dynamics by Robert Bruce. It will be a big help. And yes, I have walked the Second Road. It has been a struggle for the last few years however due to some health problems, but with the treatments I’m currently undertaking, I hope to be back to my old self and walking the astral path again.

Richard Hipson: Wow. That’s one incredible experience. Did that tend to stagger your desire to learn more of the spirit world or did it send you headlong into learning even more about communicating with the supernatural? Have you tried contacting Dave since? If I may, here’s a weird question for you in regards to spirits that have ever spoken to/through the sensitives of the world including your self. In your own opinion or experience, do you think that most of those spirits that have communicated from the other side have all walked this earth at one time or another like you and I, or do you think that there are some who have always been spirits and, in which case, may have more expertise at channeling their voices to the living?

Bob Freeman: The Nightstalkers were two years old at this time…it certainly inspired me to continue, especially when we made contact with David about a month after his death. At his wake, his mother passed around a box of personal effects. I took a small glass vial that Dave had purchased from Lawerence Lawerence, a pseudo-celebrity Wiccan High Priest with delusions of grandeur. This vial was supposed to contain an oil that would protect one from evil. It had a very distinct appearance and odor. The next day I buried the vial about three feet deep at Dave’s gravesite. As I said, a month later, we were at my home. I had been having some troubles with some rather nefarious practitioners of the dark arts and felt plagued by astral assaults. My friends and I were discussing these difficulties when I felt something tap me on the head. I looked around…nothing there. I felt the tap again. An oily substance was dripping onto my forehead. I touched it. I smelled it. It was the protection of evil oil. It was dropping out of the air and onto my head, anointing me in a fashion. I believe it was Dave, reaching from beyond the grave to give me aid… I’m not that sensitive and I don’t channel spirits. I converse with people who do and utilize their talents. I have confronted entities on the astral plane, and I’ve been able to use certain tools to help gather messages from the other side, but I don’t consider myself a medium by any stretch of the imagination. That being said, yes, there are spirits who have never known flesh except when they are allowed entry into another’s body. And yes, they can have a powerful command of preternatural abilities which is why High Magick is nothing to be trifled with.

Fran Friel: This is a great conversation! It’s wonderful to hear about your experiences. Thanks for sharing so candidly. My life for many years before being a writer was spent being a holistic healer – lots of “fun” in the astral. I’ve done a lot of long distance work and have found over the years, that there is an “in between” area where so much of the work takes place. Bringing the client to you or extending out to them works, too, but this in between void place is very fast and fluid. It’s like being out of body but still in the body – still physically aware. Have you experienced this in your travels? And have you noticed an increase in the last couple of years of more multi-dimensional awareness happening for you and your team?

Bob Freeman: What you describe sounds very much like the state one reaches in Past Life Regression Therapy, or what the Hopi Medicine Men call “the Short Walk of the Soul”. When I was with the Hopi back in 1990, I spent a lot of time with a Mesa Shaman named Alo, which is the Hopi word for “spiritual guide”. One night he and the Chief of a visiting tribe of natives from Vancouver Island sat with me outside of a kiva on the Oriabi Mesa. It had been constructed in the 11th century. We smoked and within that smoke Alo said danced the spirits of his ancestors and that my ancestors would call to me as well from within that sacred place which is but a short walk for the soul. It was a trance like state, very much like the feeling one gets from OBE but you remain grounded to the earth. Very enlightening and rewarding. I can attest to the potential for much healing magick to occur in this state.

The veil between the worlds I believe is approaching a time in its cycle when it is very thin. I expect that within the next seven years there will be a renewed interest in the gods of ones ancestors as they will have a stronger voice and more and more people will hear their call. But this thinning of the veil will attract more than our ancestors and the gods they lent power to… darkness and light walk hand in hand… there cannot be one without the other. I expect the years ahead to be eventful, to say the least.

And there you have it, warts and all.

~Bob Freeman
writing during a torrential downpour
in the haunted Hoosier Heartland



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